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Just my opinion on FFXII done at 7:30 in the morning after having no sleep so if it sounds stupid I'm sorry...

FFXII was like watching a really badly written soap opera then of course there was the exploring...it took too long to get from one land to the next then there were the character designs I already discussed the Viera so I'm moving on to Vaan that whiny little nancy boy "Oh I'm gonna be a sky pirate" please they stole that from Treasure Island :roll though he seems like he'd be suited to being on a boat with lots of men...up on the deck with lots of men...down in the cabins with lots of men...ahem sorry I'm prone to quoting tv shows for humor...Balthier's accent sounded fake and his gun was terrible which was why he got a sword as soon as possible...Basch(whats with the B's) was the most masculine of all of them but even his accent was fake and with him being in prison I think he swung his sword the other way...if you get my drift. Penelo..well I just plain didn't like her I won't mention her clothes because its too obvous and Ashe for a princess she dressed like a street walking cosplayer and then of course there was the fact that she forgave Basch waaaayyyy to quickly and then kept crying about her dead husband then turning around and doing stupid * but back to the characters...the dudes looked like chicks and the chicks looked like...skanks except for the non human creatures there was the adorable moogles and then the very ugly Seeq (I have a knack for remembering characters and creatures) and Bangaa that broke the mold on that. Now for the battle system it was choppy at best...the ATB part of it made it sluggish and you couldn't evade enemies by running out of their target zone but they could avoid your attacks by getting out of your attack zone...it took to long to build and then you would occasionaly get attacked by the elementals especially if you had magic gambits and killed another creature with magic and leaving the screen didn't save you nor did running from them and you ended up dead and having to restart at the beginning which made me want to throw my remote at the screen okay that's it.
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I’ve said this before; Final Fantasy XII seems to me like the first draft of a book; which the writer released it incomplete with all its errors and mistakes, actually; major errors and mistakes! I believe with some serious development it would actually be a worthwhile valuable video game.

Now before I start giving out my opinion, Tifa; I would like to set the right picture of the story for you. Something you mentioned in your post gave me the impression that you are confused when it comes to the story. You wrote and I quote “Ashe forgave Basch waaaayyyy too quickly and then kept crying about her dead husband.” Well; here is a clarifying …

[spoil]There was nothing to forgive him for, he did nothing wrong, his twin brother, Gabranth, was the one who murdered her father; the Dalmascan king… Anyways…[/spoil]

Moving to what I want to say about this game;

Storyline;

Which is the essence of every RPG and it should be well written and well developed, especially for Square Enix’s RPGs for so many expectations are expected from it. FFXII’s story line feels derivative; at least a major part of it feels that way. Of course I am speaking of the “Princess with her stolen birthright” story, how old that is? Square Enix used this type of story with FFIX, why using it again? It totally ruined the concept. Those princesses’ stories are getting really old.
However; there are few good parts of the story, they are few, I know, since the princess’ story took the majority of it, for example; Balthier’s story with Cid and the Archadian Empire was interesting, and the story that took place before the events of the game which they mentioned it in the game’s dialogues. I think they should have focused more on this, not only it; but some of the characters’ stories which in my opinion would have made the game more interesting… or should I say; interesting instead of an old-fashioned, in a bad way, story. Like; Fran’s story, I would like to know more about hers. And since there isn’t actually a main character; I don’t think the characters’ stories would have “stolen the lights” from the so called main character.

Characters;

Vaan; the one and only thing about him that is actually in the story is the death of his brother Reks, and this actually has nothing to do with Vaan… in a second thought; there is NOTHING about Vaan in the storyline, you say the story of him becoming a sky-pirate? I say; what sky-pirating? It’s a one sentence he spoke in the very beginning of the game and then… nothing… yes; nothing. Vaan is so worthless that no word in the world’s dictionary can describe is worthlessness! If … and I say If the main character was someone of high-quality I think, fans who share my opinion, would like the game a little more.

Penelo is nothing but a spoiled stupid girl who follows the master of nothingness, Vaan, everywhere he goes. Up to this very second I don’t understand what actually her role in this story is. Basch is okay, not much of a personality the one he has, but his part, no matter how small it is, in the story that should have been the main story, is interesting. Perhaps Ashe’s personality could have been better with major improvements, what ruined her most is her being “princess” and carrying the blame of the major disappointment in the storyline.

Balthier and Fran are the only ones whom I actually liked among the playable characters, especially Balthier, whom I think should have been the main character in the game since he is more involved in the story. In my opinion; if they focused more about his story with Cid and his relations with the Empire; the story would have more depth and a real story. Like I said before; the story needs some serious improvement.
As for the antagonists; Vayne was the typical greedy man who starves for power. Larsa; only the male version of Penelo, whom I couldn’t recognize his sex when I first saw him. Judge Magisters were; very easy to conquer in battles, not taking much part in the story which is a big mistake since they are the essence of the Archadian Empire. Gabranth was the only Judge Magister whom I actually liked, he is a good character who also could have been much better with some development, he is one of the best in this game, but not as good as Cid who is completely insane, and should have been the main villain instead of Vayne.


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Battle System;

So much to say about this one since it seriously needs major development. The concept of FFXII’s battle system is very good; excellent actually, but the way it was introduced in the game was horrible; making the game unchallengeable and so easy. Starting from Gambits and License Board; this feature could have made FFXII’s battle system one of the very best, but instead it turned it into a battle system a four years old can use without any difficulty. It’s a major disappointment. What is so fun about programming your characters the exact same way the entire game and leaving the controller on the side while you are in battles? It could have been an amazing feature but sadly it was ruined by becoming way too easy, stealing the fun element of the game from the player.

As for Espers; why in the name of everything that’s holy they are in the game? A question will forever remain without an answer. I never ever use them, why using them when my characters are already programmed to win any battle, thanks to the Gambits? To make battles more boring and easier? Or to make the player fall asleep while playing since there is nothing they are actually doing? By the way; this happened to me; falling asleep, seriously, while leveling my characters up. It’s very useless along with other useless things such as Magicks and Technicks… okay, there are some good Magicks that can be helpful I am used to using them in battles that exist in every Final Fantasy game. I never used Technicks, probably just bought them to complete everything in the game.

Basically everything that is a part of the battle system only makes the game easier! Stupid stupid stupid mistake! Why making it easier? In another way; why making it super boring?

I am not going to discuss either graphics, sound… since the things I already mentioned, the ones that truly matter are disappointments. Those are secondary things and the game won’t get any better no matter how good these are. Besides; I don’t care at all about the character’s clothes or graphics, so why should I discuss them? The things that matters to me aren’t well-developed.

It’s very sad. Final Fantasy XII could have been an amazing game, but Square Enix ruined its chance of having that by focusing more on graphics I assume. It’s a first draft of a book, like I said; it’s filled with errors, but could have been better, far much better.


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actually, vaan is as worthless as me, lol, but, i never played through the whole game, my friend moved to beverly hills california with the rest of his friends before i could finish

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http://z4.invisionfree.com/Older_Memori ... owtopic=87

Go here. In this review, there are satirical, comical relief of what the game truly is. Written by yours truly.

Dare to dissagree with ANYTHING said there. If you actually DO have proof that anything said there is wrong. Hehe.

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Lara wrote:
Square Enix used this type of story with FFIX


Could i just clarify that square enix started with FFX-2 before that it was just Squaresoft this makes a huge difference as Squaresoft made amazing final fantasies whereas Square Enix have not.If square enix had done FFIX it would have been shambolic, none of the characters would have been interesting, the villains would have been worse and the game would have ended halfway through. Please don't get Squaresoft and Square Enix mixed up because they are infact completely different companies

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Lara wrote:
Now before I start giving out my opinion, Tifa; I would like to set the right picture of the story for you. Something you mentioned in your post gave me the impression that you are confused when it comes to the story. You wrote and I quote “Ashe forgave Basch waaaayyyy too quickly and then kept crying about her dead husband.” Well; here is a clarifying …

There was nothing to forgive him for, he did nothing wrong, his twin brother, Gabranth, was the one who murdered her father; the Dalmascan king… Anyways


Actually Basch didn't give the whole Gabranth explanation to Ashe he just said it Vaan, Balthier, and Fran which was the only time they even mentioned it at all so there was no way for her to have known that.


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dragon523 wrote:
Could i just clarify that square enix started with FFX-2 before that it was just Squaresoft this makes a huge difference as Squaresoft made amazing final fantasies whereas Square Enix have not.If square enix had done FFIX it would have been shambolic, none of the characters would have been interesting, the villains would have been worse and the game would have ended halfway through. Please don't get Squaresoft and Square Enix mixed up because they are infact completely different companies

I do realize Square Soft and Square Enix are two different companies and that Square Soft became a part of Square Enix :)

Whatever the fact is… let’s say that Square Enix continued with Final Fantasy series, the one which was started by Square Soft, shouldn’t the “second” company be aware of what already has been done and the stories former Final Fantasies had?! I am sure it was aware, simply because it’s impossible not to. It remains a mistake; the same type of story was used in FFIX; the princess’ story, despite the few differences I mentioned earlier, but the main idea is the same, that’s what I am speaking of.

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Actually Basch didn't give the whole Gabranth explanation to Ashe he just said it Vaan, Balthier, and Fran which was the only time they even mentioned it at all so there was no way for her to have known that.

And you expect Ashe to spend the entire time carrying the wrong thought without being told of the right one. And the entire story to end with all that has been done without she realizes the truth about her father's death?! :roll

I am sure she has been told by someone, I don’t recall who at the time.


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First of all: Welcome to the ranks of FFXII haters! Rejoice!

As has been covered multiple times in multiple places, the game is cliched, boring, dull, and practically plays itself. I won't bother stating the other multitude of bad things about it, as Riku's awesome review gets the job done quite well.

In short, the game is garbage, and should never be remembered as more then that.

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Vayne isn't even evil he's a politician...and I'll put my reason in a spoiler alert for the people who don't like spoilers.

[spoil]First he killed his father to get into power alot of politicians have done the same thing
and secondly he picked a fight with a religion what politician hasn't done that...I mean honestly[/spoil]

Sephiroth needs to teach that dumbass how to truly be evil.


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You almost imply that Politicians aren't evil. Then again, there are actually some Politicians who aren't evil. It's just that they can't be called good either.

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Okay so I worded it wrong...by Final Fantasy Standards Vayne isn't evil...Is that better.


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Mostly, I'll agree with Lara on the issues. Though FF XII had so much potential, they really strayed away from what could've been a decent main plot. Not to mention the two main characters (Vaan and Penelo) had little to do with a plot at all, and were merely... there.

Larsa I will disagree on. As the younger brother of Vayne I thought it rather righteous and bold of him, and actually generous of him that he would go against his country's leader, and do his own little thing. Ashe was too weak for me, and Basch... I don't even know about him.

Balthier and Fran were really the only worthwhile characters, and they were sort of just along for the ride at some points as well. (And I really wish Fran had put on more clothes.)


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Though FF XII had so much potential, they really strayed away from what could've been a decent main plot.


That is my point of view; and it makes me feel sad and disappointed rather than mad at the game's creators for not creating the "perfect game".


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